Could you imagine trying to explain this to a non-jw at a door.
I would be so embarrassed trying to unravel this non-sense. Does it make sense that God requires you to have a flow chart to grasp a teaching?
guess the overlapping generation concept is difficult for most to comprehend.
david spane does his best to explain it again.
the cutoff date for this generation has now moved to 1992 (was once 1935), the year that fred franz died.
Could you imagine trying to explain this to a non-jw at a door.
I would be so embarrassed trying to unravel this non-sense. Does it make sense that God requires you to have a flow chart to grasp a teaching?
guess the overlapping generation concept is difficult for most to comprehend.
david spane does his best to explain it again.
the cutoff date for this generation has now moved to 1992 (was once 1935), the year that fred franz died.
He kinda of digs them in a hole. At 12:10 he explains that anyone anointed later on wouldn't be part of "this" generation. Basically once him and the other GB die off the end must come. That still gives them 30+ year maybe more. But when 2035+ comes around they will adjust it again and all the new ones born in won't know about this broadcast.
guess the overlapping generation concept is difficult for most to comprehend.
david spane does his best to explain it again.
the cutoff date for this generation has now moved to 1992 (was once 1935), the year that fred franz died.
How can anyone be a regular reader of JW Talk it is so nauseating. No discourse, no real debate, and so much fakes. It seems each one is trying to out do the other in kissing the pinky ring of their demi-gods GBs.
Some Quotes from posters at JW Talk:
So...my doctor said I need to exercise and get my heart rate up. I told him he should check my heart rate on the first Sunday evening of each month... I get so excited waiting for the broadcast!
On the first monday of every month, I almost DDOS jw.org because of the number of time I check for the link, haha.
Love the way Bro Splane (he always explains -splanes- things so well) what 'this generation' means. Very clear.
I really like how often Bro Splane says "Lets suppose", "For the sake of argument", "assume". It shows me that we can draw logical conclusions based on limited facts and not be guilty of speculation..
It's here !!!!!!!!!! Superb talk about the "GENERATION".
http://jwtalk.net/forums/topic/22665-september-broadcast/page-3
i do - actually, it's become close to unbearable.. and herein lies the paradox: i tried to fade in the illusion that i might keep contact with family and friends still "in".
was it worth it?
because not only most of them shun me anyways, but i find it almost unbearable to be around them, especially when the cult chit chat kicks in: every cute animal video clip triggers endless comments about glimpses of the future paradise and how "god did it"; those greasy praises to the organization and the governing body; the dumb awe about every jw broadcast and those cheesy music videos; the endless drivel against other religions when one knows perfectly well that we're no better than them; the endless flow of "experiences" of field service or spectacular conversions into "the truth"; the relentless congregation gossip; and so on .... i ask myself: is this why i am fading for ...?
When I left in 1996 I still had some contact with the ones within my age range. But it was easy because they all left with the exception of one person. I would attend a meeting here and there till 2001 and then I decided even minimal contact was too much for me. The only one I associate with on a regular basis is my mom and sister, which neither are your typical witness. They simply believe and obey most of the religion's restrictions.
I had a brief moment of association last year and found the witnesses to be more over the top than what I can recall from my youth.
i popped into the supermarket for a few things after work today and found myself walking up an aisle alongside a couple who used to be in my tuesday group.
i see them reasonably often and always say hello much to their obvious annoyance.
i noticed that ian was sporting a shaggy beard.
Sounds like a lovers quarrel
well, in an effort to completely rebel against all things 'watchtower', i decided that since i gave all my years since leaving school to the borg, and listened to their admonition to avoid 'higher education' i have just started... right from bottom.... today i took a 2 hour maths test to see if i would be eligible to go on a course to re-take my gcse maths exam (this is the qualification you study for here in england in the last 2 years of compulsory schooling from ages 14-16).
back in may 1988 i did no revision, and didn't study hence a complete flop of all exams.... and seeing that 'education' wasn't on the agenda back then, and has always been warned against, (unless it was perhaps trade oriented) it was wiped from my mind... yep a jw mind-wipe occurred here, i've decided to go back to school, just for the challenge of it, f**k the org, i might have wasted decades swallowing their philosophy, but i don't have to let that past control me now... the test was 'really' hard going... and i don't think i passed, but can still get on a more basic course to start me off if i don't get on the main course.... the tutors were so warm and enthusiastic about me taking up the study at aged 43, it was so nice to hear someone get excited that i'm going to study (never in 29 years with the borg) .
i've also learned something else; jw's talk about the 'highest education' that the watchtower supposedly teaches... bullshit, that 'call and response' crap that you do in watchtower study and other meetings, that parroting, has got to be the lowest form of education there is, you don't use your brain, you don't have to analyse or think or deduce or calculate, or use savvy... it's just call and response, and nothing more, pure repetition, answer what's in the paragraph.
Congrats on going back to school and higher education. I was lucky enough to leave early and do the traditional route of higher education at a younger age. I'm located in America.
I am currently going back to school for a 2nd career change. My original degree was in business. I'm now 38 years old working on a Bachelors in Nursing. I'm surrounded by 20 and 22 year old students, but there are a few second career people in my class also.
My wife is from another country and just started college here at age 36. She had to do remedial Math and English this summer. It isn't easy but it is also exciting pursuing higher education. Especially professional degrees that teach valuable and marketable skills.
What I love about higher education are the programs and professors that focus on critical thinking. My nursing exams all have scenario/case examples that require critical thinking to answer. You can't pass these exams by mere memorization. It really is a tool the Watchtower doesn't want developed within its members.
ive been having an email exchange with a jw family member and the discussion seem to have become a bit heated and im not quite sure why.
i dont think ive said anything obviously offensive and ive been very careful with my wording.
but i think im sometimes a bit tone deaf with these things.
i don't know if gb member g jackson really meant the gb were 'god', with his 'guardians of doctrine' comment at the arc.
it's nice and conspiracy to think so, i suppose.
i honestly don't know.
as far as i can remember watchtower has been notorious for not citing their sources in their literature.
the most they will do is to cite their in house, long living expert by the name of scholar.
after 40 + years all i've ever read is the mantra "one scholar says" ad nauseum.
ray franz who gave us insight into the gb due to a crisis of conscience was an absolute moron, with absolutely no critical thinking skills whatsoever like all of us have.
i mean, to have a conscience based on some magic man in the sky.. how stupid can you be?
in search of christian freedom?
Ok I detect a lot of bitterness. You wouldn't happen to be a former Elder that wasted most of your life to this cult?
Ray Franz used his critical thinking skills to recognize the religion was BS, and he left. Not all turn to Atheism when they leave.